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Rocky Mountain 356 Porsche Club                                          OVERSTEER                                                  July  2007

356 Talk Board for May, 2007

Cleaning the Inside of Gauge Glass

Q.  I would like to clean the glass on the inside of my oil/temp; fuel/tank

gauge. How can this be done?  Do I have to disassemble the chrome ring? How can this be done without damaging it?  Thanks, Joost

 

A.  Hello Joost, This can't be done without removing (and doing so, damaging) the chrome ring. Restored my gauges years ago and let the guy's from Siemens VDO put on new rings. I don't remember what they charged me but the address is; Nieuwpoortstraat 5, AMSTERDAM, 1055 RZ, phone: +31 20-6878900.  Richard, 123107 T6 ESSD, 86139 Conv. D

 

A.  The real answer for owners in Colorado.  Let Deluxe Speedometer repair your gauges. (303) 629-6958 1976 S Bannock St Denver, CO 80223-3911.  There is a specialist at Deluxe that rebuilds older gauges.  From a satisfied customer!  Dick Bartlett

 

Condensers Near Regulator

Q.  I have a 64C which hasn't run in many years.  It has an original 12v system, and there are two condensers near the regulator - one on either side.  The one on the right is about 2 inches long and 1 inch in diameter - it is marked 25uf.  The other one is smaller, about 1 3/4 inches long and 1/2 in diameter - I don't see any markings on it.  I don't know that these are bad, but my guess is that I should replace them without even trying them.  Does anyone know the electrical value of the smaller one?  Are these peculiar to Porsches, or should I try my FLAPS?  Many thanks in advance.  Bill Christman, '64C West Caldwell, NJ

 

A.  Those are the noise suppressors for your radio, the ones on my '65 C are still there and still operating. Lee

 

A.  According to Blaupunkt installation instructions, the capacitors at the voltage regulator should be:

            Bosch number EMKO 21Z 2Z at terminal #51 rated at 2,5 micro farads (uF).

Bosch number EMKO 21Z 1Z at terminal #61 rated at 0,5 uF.

 

Porsche B/C Workshop Manual, page L83, says "Maximum capacity for the suppressor condenser at GENERATOR terminal D+ and REGULATOR terminal D+ is 4,5 uF.  A greater capacity will burn the regulator contacts."  Brad

 

Engine Power Loss

Q.  Just got my 356 bt5 1600 out of the garage to 'prepare' it for the summer. Did some 'tune up' and the car sounds and drives great. The car picks up quite good (I'm driving with Weber idf 40's and these are a little bit too big for my engine). As long as I keep the revs up, it is all good........but after 20 minutes or so on the highway (70-80 miles an hour) my car starts loosing power and puffing black smoke. When this happens the speed goes down to 50 or so. When I pull down the road and let the car sit for 10 minutes, it's all fine again. But the same occurs after 15 minutes.

 

Could somebody perhaps tell me what I should check next? I have not done my valves, but I did them 1000 miles ago. And as far as I know, this doesn't sound like a valve problem (please correct me if I am wrong).

 

My impression is that the mixture becomes too rich ( black smoke) and that this causes one cylinder to stop (there is a feel of power loss). I have had these symptoms before when I had a small fire in the back and the Weber’s did not get enough oxygen. Should I perhaps check my carb float level? What I can't explain is why the car drives fine for the first 20 minutes.

 Any ideas, please suggest them.  Many regards, Frank Hijmans         (5)

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Talk Board Con’t

 

A.  Frank: Do a regular tune-up, and get the timing at spec, then get rid of the sparkplugs you have and buy some Bosch WR7BP platinum’s, ( try Al Zim). These won't load up like regular plugs.

Of course, consider carb float levels...maybe one or both floats are running low and causing a fuel starvation. Lean out the mixture until you are operating with each of the four idle mixture screws backed out no more than two full turns. The black smoking should cease.

A quick check for bad piston rings, broken piston domes, etc. would be to open the oil filler on the car and run the engine...rev it while observing if any smoke comes from the filler neck...it shouldn't. If there is a lot of smoke coming from the filler, you have a sealing problem that is probably getting worse as the engine reaches operating temps.  Geoff

 

Black smoke is usually too much fuel.  Get a fire extinguisher and put it  in your car.  Then remove the air filters and drive around till you the smoke bit.  Stop right away and look down the throats of the carbs and see if one is spilling fuel.  If it is then you got a float/needle valve issue.  First make sure you have good plugs, points set and timing.  If you have Weber’s make sure where the jets live there is no debris between the jets that could clog the idle air jet, it is small hole next to the idle jet and no debris in the air corrector, the tall brass tube that unscrews with the main jet/emulsion tube assy.  If any of these gets clogged it will cause that circuit to run "full rich" or flood mode.  You might also have a bad/sinking float but this is not high on the probability scale.  Alan

 

Weber Carb Source

Q.  Does anyone have a good source to suggest for Weber carbs for 356's?

A.  Try them     http://www.redlineweber.com/ Fabio

 

Headlight Problem

Q.  I am visiting my friend, Sylvain in France.  He has a 1964 C Coupe.  He cannot get his head lights to switch when he flips his lever.  He only has high beams.  Who has some ideas for him please. Gene  1962 S Cabrio

A.  It could be the contacts in the switch are open, possibly some dirt or such so there is no contact and the relay can't trigger the change.  Does the relay click when the lever is pulled? If so have you checked the individual fuses for the low beams?  They could be corroded so twist them in place in addition to looking.  Norm

A.  Bring a test light with you and a copy of Joe Leoni's book.  Alan

A.  Thanks to all of you who offered suggestions.  It was the Gray headlight switch relay that is kaput.  Anyone have an original grey headlight relay for sale?

 

Parts Catalogues

1950-59 Parts Catalogue Link

<https://techinfo.porsche.com/techinfo/pdf/en-us/catalogues/

356_USA_50_59_KATALOG.pdf>

 

1960-65 Parts Catalogue Link

<https://techinfo.porsche.com/techinfo/pdf/en-us/catalogues/

356_USA_60_65_KATALOG.pdf>

 

Maybe these links or files can be added to the registry website tech 

area?

 

Best Regards, Richard Finnegan 1957 356A Speedster 1960 356B S90 sunroof coupe Registry Member #17253 Tortola, British Virgin Islands

 

Rocky Mountain 356 Porsche Club                                          OVERSTEER                                                  May  2007

356 Talk Board for April, 2007

Hello everyone, Here's what's new at 356Registry.org:

 

Hubcap Clip Installation, by Brian O'Kelly

An excellent, step-by-step guide on how to install hubcap clips without damaging painted rims:

http://www.356registry.org/Tech/hubcap_clip_installation.html

 

Jumping a 6 volt battery with a 12 volt, by Ray Knight, Geoff Fleming, and Harry Pellow

Yes, you can safely jump your tired 6V battery with a 12V if you follow the advice of these experts:

http://www.356registry.org/Tech/battery_jumping_6v_with_12v.html

 

Spark Plug Recommendations, by Vince Cappelletti, Tom Farnam, Geoff Fleming, and Dan Schaefer

The question of what plugs to use in our now 40-plus year-old cars is a frequent one. Fortunately, there are several good choices. Bosch WR7BP platinum and NKG BP6HS or BPR6HIX are often used in the 356. Here are specific comments from several experienced 356ers:

http://www.356registry.org/Tech/spark_plug_recommendations.html

 

And for your viewing pleasure, feast your eyes on Steve Terrien's stunning 1959 Carrera GS/GT Coupe at:

http://www.356registry.org/Members/Terrien/59blackCarrera/

 

You can also enjoy period black & white photos of his 57 Carrera Coupe by clicking the small photo on the right of the page at:

http://www.356registry.org/Members/Terrien/

 

Barry Lee Brisco, 356 Registry Website Technical Editor

Crusing Speeds

A friend and I have a theory that every individual car has a highway cruising "sweet spot" when conditions are equal. This is when the harmonious balance of velocity, noise, steering feel, vibration, ride comfort and pedal angle all come together at a speed which much faster is stressful and much slower feels like your dogging it.

My C coupe settles in at 75mph, my Speedster at 70mph, my 993 at 100Mph, (can't do that very often), My Chebby P/U at 70mph, My Audi S4 at 95mph (another one that rarely gets to stretch)

One time we rented a Toyota Camary for a road trip and that darn thing wanted to cruise a 90mph We let it have it's head all through the state of New Mexico till the helicopter got us....I tried to explain my theory to the peace officer but to no avail. Tom Martinez, Running Springs Ca.

How about "best cruise", i.e. best fuel economy?  I was surprised to see a graph in either Richter's or Spencer's book (probably latter) showing 3500-3700 RPM peak for fuel economy in stock engines. I would have thought 3000 for Super, maybe 2500 for Normal, would eke out best economy on flat ground, just loping along at the bottom of the green area of the tach.

My current stock '59 Super doesn't seem to have a preference for settling down and cruising, but a '59 sunroof coupe I had with a '61 Normal engine and a 744 tranny seemed to prefer 85 MPH. Absolutely dozed at that speed, and the car felt one with the road. Brian A

In a run from San Francisco to Portland and back last year, I experimented with different RPMs at highway speeds to see what produced the best gas mileage. I tried to fill the gas tank to within an inch of the bottom of the neck each time I tanked up.

I found that, as Brian writes, 3500 or a bit more gave me the best MPG, around 33 in my stock 59 Super. Problem is, in a coupe with BBBC gears that is well over the 65mph speed limit, and even a bit over the 75mph speed that the Highway Patrol will usually tolerate.

Barry Brisco

"But officer...I was just doing my part for the environment!  Honest!"       

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Rocky Mountain 356 Porsche Club                              OVERSTEER                                                           May  2007

Talk Board Con’t

Well...that is what the 356 was designed for, high speed touring with two aboard, in addition to racing, rallying, etc. It was a real giant killer of a car in its day and continues to be so, which is remarkable.

Of course, every driver has his / her own level of comfort and each car has to be evaluated on an individual basis. I have driven some 'restorations' that should not even be on the road, (despite looking great!), while some outwardly shabby cars are wonderful drivers at all speeds. It is all up to the owner, but there is no danger in damaging a well prepared 356, by simply maintaining 4,000 or so rpm. The S-90, C and SC models are particularly suited for sustained high speed travel, thanks to the more modern valve gear, etc. regards, Geoff

 

LED Lights

Has anyone tried the new 6V LED light "bulbs" in their 356?  Sounds like

A great idea - but are they bright enough to be worth the expense?  Steve

 

If you are referring to LED dash lights available from Brad Ripley at NLA, I found that using just 3 of them, one at the bottom of each of the main gauges (not the clock), is plenty bright compared with the 1.2W bulbs. Regards, Dave Wildrick, Houston, TX

 

Loud-whine from transmission in 1st gear

When I let off accelerator pedal, it continues.  Any suggestions as to what this is caused by?  Thanks all, Matt

 

I don't know what it is, but I have a medium whine in 4th stats at about 50 or so and ends at 70 mph. Lessens but continues as I slow down, even if I take it out of gear. Sorry to piggy back here, but figured there would be some transmission experts weighing in.  Jake Eller

 

Check the oil level. If ok drain the oil and look at the magnet on the drain plug.  Alan

 

Muffler Removal

I have the engine out of my 64C to do a little cosmetic work and a few other odds and ends.  I'm trying to remove the muffler, but so far no luck.  The clamps around the exhaust pipes came off easy as did the straps around the center of the muffler, but it is stuck good.

Any tricks out there for this job?  My car has euro exchangers.  Steve, Lake Ozark, MO

 

Use a propane torch to help break the intimate bond. A rubber or plastic mallet can be useful too but I've needed a torch nearly every time. Keep a fire extinguisher or bucket of water close by even if the engine is out of the car because gas can drip out of open fuel lines and ignite...don't ask how I know.  Tom Martinez, Running Springs Ca.

 

Steve, another way to apply the heat you need to break that bond might be an electric heat gun. If you don't own one, you might be able to borrow one from a local boat yard (since you live on a lake) or rent one from a tool rental center. A good heat gun will put out nearly as much heat as a propane torch, but without a flame.  Of course that good stout rubber mallet is almost invaluable once you break the rust/corrosion bond in the pipe slip joints with heat.  Tom (in coooold Alexandria, VA)

 

When you put the muffler back on use liberal amounts of never-seez and you won't have to go thru that again.  Fred

 

Straps? This means you have an Euro muffler. You will see a tee shaped clamp between the 2 pipes from the heat exchanger, loosen these. Soak it all in you favorite "make it loose oil" then try tapping it off. If you have a floor jack, press up in the middle a few times, then on one side to rock it a bit. A wood block cut to fit the curve of the end of the muffler and then hit with a hammer might do the trick.  Alan

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Rocky Mountain 356 Porsche Club                                          OVERSTEER                                                  March 2007

 

356 Talk Board for February, 2007

Dead SC?

Q.  Clear,38 degrees in Idaho, drove my 65 s/c all over did errands, stopped and started at least 6 times.  Drove home, turned it off, unloaded the days collection. Opened garage door, no start. Got lights, horn, radio, not a sound, not a click, nothing. Six month old optima, New ground strap last year, new starter bushing also last year. Where do I start, its cold out?  Joe,,,anybody  regards,Mick

 

A.  Mick, To help get started, look at our web site.  There is a flow sheet to trouble shoot.

www.356electrics.com Joe

 

A.  Mickey:  Check that the small black wire is still attached to the starter solenoid.  If this pops off, (it is a press fit connector), the starter will not respond.  Geoff

 

Real Answer  Spade connector to solenoid lost tension, fell off.  Put on new spade fresh heat shrink, back in business, lucky me.  thanks again for all of your posts. Mick 1965 S/C Euro Coupe

 

Comment:  The same thing can happen at the coil/ign. sw. lead (#30, Joe?).  If the rubber boot is still on the female terminal, it can also 'look' like it it still connected. Ron LaDow

 

Engine Hardware (screws and such)

Q.  Has anyone used the hardware kit offered by Chamberlain Auto Restoration?  Here's their website: http://chamberlainautorestoration.com/Engine_rebuild_package.html -Steve

 

A.  have purchased a few sets of engine hardware from Rob. He s a very nice fella, reliable, fast to ship & the hardware was REALLY nice. The cad 1 I bought was exceptional & the hardware had no boogered slots or  scuffs or the like. George

 

Fitting a Door

Q.  A little while ago I ruined a door when my C cp rolled out of the garage on its own with the drivers door open. Against all advice I  sought a replacement door and was lucky to find a nice one (From Parker Tyler in  Maine) with no rust but a sizable dent. The door has been beautifully repaired and now it is time to fit it to my car.

 

It "nearly fits" but needs adjustments, as expected. It sits too high and  the striker plate is to high. Also the front lower corner does not have enough  clearance. I was intending to take it back to the repair shop but the engine is  out of the car, and as there is not that much discrepancy I thought I would  try to fit it myself. If I succeed in getting it to fit properly I may have to  take it back to the repair shop for some "lead" work.

 

What advice can you offer me on fitting the door myself? Thank you Davie

 

A.  Davie,

First, loosen the striker plate then just barely snug the screws and gently close the door. This should get it close. Re tighten it.

Next, loosen all of the hinge bolts and re-tighten one on each hinge slightly.

Next, maneuver the door towards the rear of the car to get more clearance at the lower front.

Now snug the hinge bolts and re-adjust the striker. Take care that the upper window frame doesn't contact the top of the door opening.

You will most likely have to juggle through this procedure a few times to get it right.

If the door sits too far outside or too far inside the fender line you must re-shim the hinges to suit. 

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Talk Board Con’t

 

This should be good for at least an evening of laughs and cursing.

NOTE: Before loosening the hinges place a jack under the door with padding so it doesn't drop. This will save your initial setting.  After adjusting repaint the bolt heads, replacing the originals with a couple of spare bolts to retain the adjustment. Still might need to touch them up.  Easy to do but hard to explain!  Norm

 

Full Flow Oil Filter

Q.  Members:  Regarding my 1963 B Coupe, I want to add a full flow oil filter system, retain the original mechanical tack and keep the stock oil filter in the system.  Has anyone set up same and be willing to discuss?  Thanks. Jim B.

 

A.  Ron LaDow of Precision Matters developed the nicest unit imaginable...easy to add to the engine too. It bolts up in place of the stock tach drive and provides full flow oil filtration without any modifications to the stock system. Users report a drop of about ten degrees in operating temps also. While an electric tach is best, give Ron a call and see what is entailed in keeping the mechanical unit.  Geoff

 

A.  While Ron's excellent system is well-documented on his very fine website www.precisionmatters.biz, it would be useful to have an article on the Registry website that explains where to drill the case and mount an external full flow filter in cases where the owner wants to retain their mechanical tach, and on pre-1960 engines.

If someone cares to contribute such an article, with photos, to the Registry website, please email me directly.  Thanks, Barry Bricso

 

Imploding Gas Tank

Q.  Took my '56 out for a 25 mile jaunt today as the sun was shining and was supposed to get to 50 degrees. Engine temp actually got up to 150 deg F though it took some time for it to reach that point.

Just a couple of blocks from home I heard what sounded like someone had thrown a snowball and hit the car! When home I let the car idle a bit and heard the noise again. I opened both front and back lids. I found the top of the tank in a somewhat concave shape and knew immediately that the breather tube was clogged. I removed the gas cap (slowly) which removed the suction. Then attempted to blow through the breather tube and it was just slightly clogged as it was fairly easy to remove the obstruction.

Have not had this problem before...the tank & fittings are clean and the tubing is relatively new. Have but 2 or 3 gallons of gas in tank. Anyone with this experience before or have any ideas how this might have happened? And how to prevent a recurrence?

Tomorrow I plan on using compressed air to blow through the tubing to see if I can obtain a 'specimen'.  I consider myself very lucky no damage was done.  Tom, S. Oregon

A.  I've heard there are also holes under or in the dome the breather tube attaches to that can get plugged up (especially if you had the tank coated inside) that can cause the problem, so you may want to check those too.  Jim

 

A.  Jim:  Under the dome atop the early type gas tanks, are some fine slits. As you mentioned, these are easily clogged with tank coating material. The dome is soldered in place so you really can't examine the status of the openings unless you can work a dental type mirror on a long arm inside the tank and possibly make an inspection like that. Geoff

Rocky Mountain 356 Porsche Club                                          OVERSTEER                                                  February 2007

 

356Talk Board for February, 2007

 

Battery or other issues?

Questions to the experts: After a night run, battery seems to be drained and car does not start. Two days later, all is fine. Here is the story:

            Drove the 56 T-1 Friday night for an hour or so with lights on. When I got to my             warehouse, the car wouldn't start, sounded like a dead battery, slowly cranking             then dying, so I pushed it in.

 

Today, I wanted to check what's going on, put the 6V battery on the charger while it is still in the car - it showed 25% juices left (?).

I got it out of the car to recharge, then the charger shows 100% charged (??). Put it back into the car just for fun and start up the car - No problem at all. Starting it a couple of times without any signs of electrical difficulties (???).  What is going on here?  Thanks for any help.  Mike

 

A.  Michael,

First check the generator's output voltage.  I like it set for 7.3 volts.

Our web site shows how to do this.  www.356electrics.com

If the voltage is up, and the battery isn't an Optima check for the water level.

Next, do you have normal headlights, no extra driving lights?

Lastly the bushing in the (generator) transmission might be worn.  If you can't remember replacing it, then do it.  Again this is on our web site.  Good luck.  Joe

 

A.  Mike:

Could be a slight drain when the car is not in use...check by removing the ground strap from the battery, then, with all systems off, connect a test light from a ground source on the body, and touch the other end of the tester to the now unoccupied negative terminal, ...if it lights up, you have something draining current.

 

To do a quick check of the generator efficiency, run the car above idle and have some one remove the ground strap at the battery. If the car dies, the generator is weak or non functional, therefore not able to produce current sufficient to recharge the battery.

 

Of course, all grounds and other cables should be clean and free from corrosion. If the ground cable is connected to an area that is not clean metal, then it is not able to do its job, likewise, the positive battery cable should show clean copper at the clamp. If the positive cable is corroded, remove and discard the old clamp, cut the cable back an inch or two and then affix a new clamp...might as well clean all fuses and the fuse box at this point and even the generator/regulator connections. You'll be surprised at what a difference the clean electrical system makes.

 

Even a small voltage drop, in the neighborhood of half a volt is substantial when dealing with six volts.

 

There is an outside chance that the regulator needs adjustment...a malfunctioning regulator won't permit current to get back to the battery to replenish the charge, so you might have to do a test there also.  Geoff

 

6 volt Pertronix trouble with Bosch 050

Q.  Tubrunners,

In my 64C coupe, I'm running a Bosch 050.  The motor is running well.

 

The points were getting worn, so I put a 6V Pertronix in this distributor.  Car seemed to run well at first, but when the engine got warmed up, I got an occasional slight backfire out the tailpipe.  When it was hot, I was getting popping at idle out of both tail pipes.                   (5)

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Rocky Mountain 356 Porsche Club                              OVERSTEER                                                           Februaryuary 2007

Talk Board Con’t

 

I checked static timing and used the timing light for high speed advance: 5 degrees BTDC static and 33-34 degrees advance at 3000 r/m and above.  Took it out for a run and got the same popping.  I checked the rotor and distrib. cap for cracks and defects.  I found none.

 

I put in my backup brand new (right out of the box) 050; set static timing to 5 degrees BTDC.  The motor ran great, and I could not make it pop or backfire after a long run.

 

Does this mean the Pertronix is flaky and I should exchange it for a new one (on warranty)?  Or should I remove the Pertronix and put the points/condenser back in to retest and rule out a problem with this distributor, which worked fine pre-Pertronix? All advice appreciated.

 

(By the way, my other C coupe has a 050 w/6V Pertronix and runs fine.)

Thanks, Dave Wildrick, Houston, TX

 

A.  It's flaky. I had the same set up as you, Pertronix, 050, Blue Coil, 6V and it left my car 'deadstick' at an intersection. Dropped in a back up dizzy with points, no problem. After several phone calls I found that the Pertronix needs an almost perfect electronic environment to work, something like 5.8 volts all the time or it will cease to work. Went back to points, never had another problem. BTW: I have an early set of Pertronix in a Hi-Pro VW engine that has run flawlessly for over 14 years. However that car is 12 volt with an alternator.  Aaron

 

Radio Repair

Q.  Greetings, Any recommendations on where to get an AM/FM Blaupunkt 6 volt radio repaired?  I need some tunes for my 356A.  Thanks In Advance,  gaw

A.  Yes, Go to http://www.radiomanrepair.com/

Tell him Pete from the Porsche 356 Club in So. Cal sent ya for the good deal. Sincerely, P e t e  

 

Updated Radio in the old shell

Q.  Hi everyone

I have noticed that you can obtain a vintage Blaupunkt radio shell from several vendors with new digital internals that has high power, digital scanning and IPOD connectors. My question is:  Have any of you purchased one of these units? Are you happy with the product? How does it cope running on a 6volt system?  Thanks Roland Paterson 356 T6

 

A.  I have the conversion done by www.turnswitch.com - lots of power, iPod connection and all the original knobs/switches work as original the new electronics are 12V and have an internal converter to run on my 6V system.  I am very pleased (although I don't use it that much because I like to hear the engine) - this is the second conversion that they've done for me on Blaupunkts.  Bill

 

I just got my Blaupunkt conversion back from www.antiqueautomobileradio.com I had an AM/FM/M in my 63. They can set it up for a 6 or 12 volt system.  Comes with RCA jacks on the back of the radio body. It also has a 12 volt power lead for an external device such as a CD player, xm satellite radio or ipod. When the external device is switched on the RCA jacks are activated and the radio tuner goes off. You would then use the volume, tone controls to adjust the output for whatever is plugged into the jacks.

 

The outer appearance is unaltered, except that they paint the radio a metallic grey. The original on off light in the center of the radio's scale is green and turns red when you lock onto a stereo station. I installed it today (it took 5 months for them to do the conversion) and the radio, now a digital stereo receiver, sounds terrific. I have not hooked up an external device yet. BTW, I am sure they would skip the paint if you wanted.  Mark Koorland  63 T6 cab                                                                                6

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356 Talk Board for December, 2006

 

Found this on Youtube. It's apparently a fairly recent post on 356 B Roadster Restoration work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVMEm9g0OGE  I'm a sucker for 356 videos. Mike

 

Muffler Loudness

Q.  As a new comer to the 356 family (ex 928 and 951 owner), I first wish to say "thanks to all" who contribute they're experience and expertise to this talk list. I have used many of your suggestions over the past several months.

To my question: I recently purchased a Dansk muffler for my 65C from one of the noted suppliers on 356registry website. This system is too loud! Sounds like there's no baffles in the thing. Does anyone have a recommendation for a "quiet" muffler system. Thanks

Ken Crawford 65C #222492

 

A.  Ken,

That's about as quiet as a 356 gets.  Are you sure you don't have some leaks at the flanges, and "J" pipe (slip-over joints)?  Also, the 356 produces a significant amount of "induction roar", which is pretty loud on cars where the OE sound deadening material is all dried out and, basically, non-functional.

I have a new Dansk muffler on my S-90 coupe and find that the exhaust "noise" is pretty subdued and pleasant to my ears.  However, the complete removal and replacement of the original sound deadening material is near the very top of my winter work list.  It's pretty darn loud, in there!  Bud Osbourne (coming briefly out of "lurk" mode) 356Burgh

 

Dancing Tach

Q.  On my '64C Coupe with an electric tach, what would cause it to 'take off' above about 4200 rpm and zoom up to as much as 6000 rpm then dance around between 4200 and 6000?  Steady acceleration through the gears and the tach remains steady.  In fourth gear when accelerating up to 75-80 mph, the tach starts to dance.  Also does it sometimes when in third gear, steady up to about 3600 rpm then takes off up to about 5000 and dances back.  I don't think I am redlining it but the tach indicates otherwise. Thanks

Mark '64C Coupe

 

A.  Check connection on the coil and tighten. Set point gap to proper gap. Good luck. Robert T. Raucher  Chico, California USA

 

A.  When the tach in my 65C starts dancing I change out the points and the problem usually goes away.  Bill Smothers Charleston, SC 65 C #219655

 

Slow Starter

Q.  I am having trouble starting my 1965 C engine. Engine was rebuilt three years ago and has been sitting since. I am testing the engine outside of the car. I placed a small amount of oil in each cylinder and engine turns freely with plugs out. Plugs in and starter cranks engine very slow as if battery is dead. Battery is a new Optima 6v fully charged. Starter bearing is new. Starter runs fine when not engaged to engine.

Is there a way to check the starter in load condition?

Anything else I should consider?  Thanks, Gary Skinner Littleton, CO

 

A.  Gary:  Have you cleaned the ground strap, where it attaches to the chassis and likewise, what does the positive cable look like?  I would recommend cutting back the positive cable an inch or more, until you see clean wiring, then add a new clamp...these seemingly minor improvements can make a great difference in the starter motor receiving enough voltage to crank strongly.

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Other factors that influence starter performance would be the condition of the starter bushing in the trans, poor ground on the trans/body strap and poor grounding at the trans and starter interface. An engine with very high compression will cause the motor to struggle against the pressure build-up, so be sure the valve adjustments are good. Geoff

 

A.  would like to thank everyone that replied to my starter problem.  The problem turned out to be a combination of dirty starter innards and a very tight engine (sat for three years after rebuild). The starter would drain the battery in just a few seconds. After cleaning and re-lubricating the starter, I ran the starter on the engine using 12 volts for several minutes before connecting the ignition to the 6 volt battery. Engine starts easily now.

 

I will think very strongly about adding the 356 Electrics relay to this circuit when the engine is returned to the car. The current pull that I experienced would most definitely have destroyed the starter switch.  Thanks, Gary  

 

356Talk Board for November, 2006

 

Hot Starting Issue

Q.  Still trying to solve my hot starting issue

Car starts perfectly when cold idles at about 600 when cold very smooth and goes up to 900-1000 when warm Runs and pulls very strong 

I drove car for 1 ½ hours yesterday about 50 miles car about low end of center in temp gauge, outside temp about 75 max.  Stopped for lunch about 20 minutes

When I came out car turns over very fast but won’t fire up.  Holding down gas pedal   pumping it makes no difference.  Car will push start right off no cloud of smoke no back fire

And then car runs fine

I have completely cleaned my gas system including all jets and passage ways in carburetors etc

I have adjusted all valves a few were off but not bad new spark plugs etc

Engine has maybe 500-600 miles on complete rebuild

Any suggestions?  Richard Eaton 1958 speedster 83824

 

A.  Try hot wiring the ignition. It sounds as though the ignition switch is failing so that in the start position it is not sending power to the coil.  David Jones  Wapakoneta, Ohio

A.  Richard I have the same problem with a 356B. Have just found that I seem to have a weak spark when hot, about to change condenser and keep fingers crossed.  Terry

 

Air Conditioning – Australia

I have spent a year developing a new AC prototype system that will handle the hottest and most humid temperatures as I live in sub tropical Australia, I hope to have the car done by summer and the 356 show here in November. No additional heat is produced in the motor compartment as there is no condenser in the motor lip. The system can use 1, 2 or even 3, 993 condensers depending on climate. Email at ram117@optusnet.com.au off line for details.  Alex 1965 c Cab

 

 

Gas Smell inside 64C Coupe

Q.  Just started running my recently acquired '64 C coupe #219880 and have been getting a very strong smell of fuel inside the car.  There is no obvious leaking and the car appears to be running fine (I say appears, because it’s my first and I have nothing to compare it to!!)   I am concerned and wonder if anybody has come across this in the past. Kind regards, Albert Harding #18753

A.  Lift up the rubber mat in the front under the dash and remove the toe board on the passenger side. (Maybe it is in the driver's side in a RHD car? - I don't know.) There is a small length of rubber hose running from the petcock under the tank outside under the car into the passenger compartment to the steel line running through the tunnel back to the engine. This hose is probably old and weeping fuel and must be replaced. There is also a vent line coming from the top of the tank in the trunk. That may also be allowing fumes to escape into the trunk which then enters through the vents into the passenger compartment. These are the two common and easy to fix fuel smell problems.-Robert

 

A.  Also common is a crack in the fuel line over the fan housing fills the car with fuel smell very quickly - the lines are over forty years old unless recently replaced basically you have to check the whole route - if we knew where you were posting from a local might be able to help.  ed hyman, Autophotos,  in western CT,  Registry #57, VSCCA race # 540 356A T-1 coupe & T-1 Speedster, 356C (SC) ESR Coupe

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Rocky Mountain 356 Porsche Club                              OVERSTEER                                                           November  2006

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Wiper Switch Problems

Q.  I have been having trouble with the windshield wiper switch on my car. 6 Volt system, 6 volt switch.   It keeps blowing the fuse (white 8 amp, fuse no. 4).  I try-ed another switch and it does the same thing. I noticed that if I pull the switch out for the wipers to run and then insert a new fuse, the wiper will run fine, nice and steady but when I push the button in to shut the wipers off, the fuse blows (Snap).  I have Joe Leoni's books but in the "Trouble Shooting" section it says nothing about blowing fuses when you shut the switch off.

Is it possible that I have the wires connected to the wrong terminal(s)?

   Which color wire goes to terminal 53?

   Which color wire goes to terminal 53a?

   Which color wire goes to terminal 53b?

   Which color wire goes to terminal 53e?

 

Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

Thank you

Rich Wisniewski

 

A.  53 is blk/wht

      53a is blk/pur

      53b is blk.

      53 on the switch isn't used.

You have a T6 car.  If the fuse blows when the switch is off, then the trouble is most likely in the circular cam plate.

You will have to remove the cover and see what is happening.

A way to confirm this is to lift the 53a wire and see if the motor runs

okay.  It won't Park right.  But all of this is assuming you have the correct wire colors connected.  And I am sure you do because you have our book.

Get back if you need more info.  Joe

 

Parts Catalogue pdf

For those who may be interested, I have just uploaded the parts catalog to the Kardex Translations site: http://tinyurl.com/lqrfg

Just click on the "Parts Catalog" button and then select your model year for your car. The PDF opens in a new window, or you can "right click" and then "save as" to your desktop. (Please note these are rather large files - 3.5MB and do take some time to download.)

Happy parts hunting! Cheers from Down Under, Nanette

 

Thanks for making this available. Since your website is done using frames, the URL you give does not go directly to the page with links to the PDF catalog files. The direct URL is: http://www.lightboxstudios.biz/kardex/catalogs.htm  Where did these catalog files come from? Barry Brisco

 

Remote Starter Switch

Who needs a switch?  Years ago, as suggested by John Muir (How to Keep Your VW Alive...etc.) and Harry Pellow, I attached a wire onto the small starter solenoid terminal that has the wire from the ignition switch on it and ran the other end up into the engine compartment.  I taped off the end to keep it from shorting on anything.  When you want to start the engine, you switch on the ignition and touch the end of this wire to the B+

terminal on your voltage regulator to crank the engine. Regards, Dave Wildrick Houston, TX #10230

 

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Leftover From the last 356 Talk Board

12V Generator on a 6V System

Q.  I was reading my new copy (new to me) or the ABC's of Porsche 356 engines.  In the section about converting a 912 engine to a 6 volt 356 Harry suggests using the 12 volt generator.  He claims that the correct voltage regulator will control the output and keep it at 6 volts. I was just wondering what the opinion of the list was on doing this.

  Jason Miltenberger St. Louis, Missouri

 

A.  That is a half truth, you will loose efficiency. This also depends if you have the large or small 12 volt generator. If you have the 12 small generator you can sell it for a bunch of $$ and install a good 6 volt one.  According to my electrical shop the field windings are different so you can make a 12V one a 6 V one but doing the switch will get you some $$.  Alan

 

A.  Harry is correct.  The 12 volt generator will work fine in a 6 volt car.  As always try to find the big black Bosch regulator, they are the best.  And have the regulator adjusted for current limit.  Joe

 
356Talk Board for October, 2006

 

Engine Vibration – Solved!

I'd like to thank everyone who responded with advice on my engine vibration problem. For the curious, many suggested to remove the fan belt to eliminate any stuck shop rag or generator/fan balance issues (frankly I had forgotten to do this), no issue there though. Still having the vibration, I thoroughly tuned and balanced and rejetted the Webers to eliminate any variance from there. This did help a little, but main vibration was still there. Lastly was rechecking the flywheel, pressure plate balance. This was the first suspect of several of the respondents. You guys hit it. Having a couple other flywheels and pressure plates around the garage, I knew this would/could be a trial and error thing. I first replaced just the pressure plate (to which the shop had added weight to balance this time) and Voila! Problem solved. Vibration is gone through the RPM range.  Now it’s off to the shop to query why they added weight to the pressure plate.  Thanks again for the expert advice.  Phil Hancock, Minneapolis

 

Another thought:

Phil:  When the shop added the weight to the pressure plate did they balance it with the flywheel. This is the usual practice. If they did this there should be an index mark on the pressure plate and the flywheel. If the two were not indexed you will have a balance problem.  Bob Garretson

 

Tires- A reality check

On the topic of tread types, I have a good friend at the local Discount Tire store so this week he and I have been looking into 165 replacements for my (sadly) 10 yr old Michelins on my '59 coupe. I have looked at the Kumho 758 but the tread pattern is much more non-vintage/modern-looking versus the Michelin and the Vredestein Sprint. That is maybe an "aesthetics" thing rather than a handling thing. The manager also noted to me that while the replacement Michelins are made from the same molds - they are produced by Coker so the rubber compound may be a bit different from the Michelin originals.  Pricing here in Houston is $38 for the Kumho, $72 for the Vredestein, and $130 for the Michelin/Coker. Haven't decided which way I'll go yet. Amortized over the life of the tire (7 years) the difference between cheapest and highest is about 3 Grande Starbucks coffees annually.  Galen Buisson, #12446, Houston, '55 Speedster, '59 S/R Coupe

 

Modern Retro Radios

I used www.turnswitch.com for 2 conversions, both Blaupunkt, both were done so well that you cannot tell that they are anything but stock (except for the iPod jack in the side of the case and the modern looking wires for connections - all of which disappear upon installation).  I had one done as a 6V and one as a 12V.  The owner, Greg Thompson, is very helpful and will answer any questions that you have regarding the conversion, speakers, etc..  William Coghlan

 

 

 

Floor Covering

I've had Rust-O-Leum's 2-part product on my shop (floor jacks, dropped  tools, brake fluid, etc.) floor for three years and it has held up beautifully.  Clean and prep 'till you’re certain of no residue and then rollin' it on is the  easy part. Available at your local home improvement store.  Jim Van Orsdol  Wisconsin

 

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......my brother in law has a 30,000 square foot mechanical shop that was built on an existing slab that formerly housed a grocery store.  He used the Rustoleum epoxy and has had no problem.  Etched the concrete first.  Roy

 

Windshield Installation

Q.  I am about to install the front and rear glass in my 65' coupe.  The rubber is on, the trim is on, and I put bee’s wax on the sash cord.

My question is:  Does anyone put a sealant on the rubber before it is installed?

Thanks, Fred

 

A.  Fred:  I've just installed mine.  I put the sealant on afterwards, working it under the outer lip.  I used urethane.  It sticks better to the glass.  Methyl Hydrate works well as a solvent.  Get it in a tube for use with a caulking gun and cut a fine tip. You need to clean off any excess while wet.  It's so much more difficult to clean up afterwards.  Peter Verity

 

A.  No. If you feel you need a sealant, this is applied after the windshield is inserted and set in place. It is very easy to pry back the lip of the seal and inject sealant once the glass is placed.  Geoff

 

 

Invisible Bra Research – Temporary Use (No!)

About the "invisible bra."

I brought three different materials with me. Two of which I was told, by the supplier, that they "could" be used as a temporary bra.

It took only seconds to eliminate the clear vinyl that is referred to as the "lo-tack" removable vinyl. This was because some residue stayed on the paint and would have to be cleaned. This could be messy, and with the wrong chemicals, could damage or scratch the paint. Plus, I strongly believe the amount of residue would increase after a day or two of use.

 

The second material was a "static cling" material, with absolutely no adhesive at all.

This material didn't sit well with compound curves and wasn't able to lay "flat." This would offer extreme difficulty in installation. Also, this material is designed for glass. The last thing anyone needs is to have this material become part of the paint because of the heat from the sun. Ya never know.

 

OK! The last material I brought with me, is called "transfer paper." This white paper is adhesive backed and sticks very well. You see it used on TV programs like "Overhaulin" as a "mask" when they paint graphics. So, with all this said, I decided to use the transfer paper and tape the edges.  Remember the Gremlins? Well, you can't get this material wet either. It will tear apart at high speeds. No big deal, you just will have to redo it. As I did.

 

Transfer paper is available at any large or small Sign shop. It's also cheap. $7.00 bucks for a roll.  I suggest a seven or eight inch roll. Use only professional body shop masking tape for the edges. Other tapes leave a residue.  Transfer paper is easily removed and leaves no residue. If wet, it falls off.  No, there's no way I can make a kit with transfer paper. Sorry.   I'll be glad to answer any questions about this.  Charles

 

 

 

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356Talk Board for January, 2006

(Thanks to Dick Bartlett)

  

 

 

This sounds like Andy Rooney thinking of endangered words.

 

I came across this phrase in a book yesterday "FENDER SKIRTS".

 

A term I haven't heard in a long time and thinking about "fender skirts" started me thinking about other words that quietly disappear from our language with hardly a notice.

 

Like "curb feelers", "steering knobs" and "fins".

 

Since I'd been thinking of cars, my mind naturally went that direction first. Any kids will probably have to find some elderly person over 50 to explain some of these terms to you.

 

Remember "Continental kits?" They were rear bumper extenders and spare tire covers that were supposed to make any car as cool as a Lincoln Continental.

 

When did we quit calling them "emergency brakes?" At some point "parking brake" became the proper term. But I miss the hint of drama that went with "emergency brake."

 

I'm sad, too, that almost all the old folks are gone who would call the accelerator the "foot feed." (never heard this )

 

Didn't you ever wait at the street for your daddy to come home, so you could ride the "running board" up to the house? (this was before my time)

 

Here's a phrase I heard all the time in my youth but never anymore - "store-bought." Of course, just about everything is store-bought these days. But once it was bragging material to have a store-bought dress or a store-bought bag of candy. (I guess now the term is "net-bought"?)

 

"Coast to coast" is a phrase that once held all sorts of excitement and now means almost nothing. Now we take the term "world wide" for granted. This floors me.

 

On a smaller scale, "wall-to-wall" was once a magical term in our homes. In the '50s, everyone covered his or her hardwood floors with, wow, wall-to-wall carpeting! Today, everyone replaces their wall-to-wall carpeting with hardwood floors. Go figure.

 

When's the last time you heard the quaint phrase "in a family way?" It's hard to imagine that the word "pregnant" was once considered a little too graphic, a little too clinical for use in polite company. So we had all that talk about stork visits and "being in a family way" or simply "expecting."

 

Apparently "brassiere" is a word no longer in usage. I said it the other day and my daughter cracked up. I guess it's just "bra" now "Unmentionables" probably wouldn't be understood at all.

 

I always loved going to the "picture show," but I considered "movie" an affectation.

 

Most of these words go back to the '50s, but here's a pure-'60s word I came across the other day - "rat fink." Ooh, what a nasty put-down!

 

Here's a word I miss - "percolator." That was just a fun word to say. And what was it replaced with? "Coffee maker." How dull. Mr. Coffee, I blame you for this.

 

I miss those made-up marketing words that were meant to sound so modern and now sound so retro. Words like "DynaFlow" and "Electrolux." Introducing the 1963 Admiral TV, now with "SpectraVision!"

 

 

Food for thought - Was there a telethon that wiped out lumbago? Nobody complains of that anymore. Maybe that's what castor oil cured, because I never hear mothers threatening kids with castor oil anymore.

 

Some words aren't gone, but are definitely on the endangered list. The one that grieves me most "supper." Now everybody says "dinner." Save a great word. Invite someone to supper. Discuss fender skirts.

 

Someone forwarded this to me. I thought some of us of a "certain age" would remember most of these.          (5)

 

 

 

356 Talk Board for February, 2006

Nitrogen in our tires

 

Q.  I recently had new tires installed at Costco and they are using nitrogen rather than air for filling tires. Nitrogen is the major component in the air we breathe, is denser than oxygen, is more pressure-stable at changes in temperature, and is less corrosive. My take on this is "big deal' unless you live in Glasgow, MT where 50 degree daily changes in temperature are not uncommon or you live in Needles, CA where there is a 100 deg. difference between your garage floor and the asphalt on the road. That being said, and the fact that my 356's Michelin XZX tires were purchased at Costco and I can have them drained and refilled with nitrogen, is it worth the time and effort?  Or is it like wearing a chronometer watch vs. a chronograph, you know there is a difference but you generally can't detect it. Happy holidays! Tom, '56 Coupe A. 

 

There is lots on the internet about this, and some of it is quite entertaining:

-one guy advocates always keeping your tires filled to the maximum pressure indicated on the tire: http://www.techcentralstation.com/111604D.html

-here's a good discussion board, much like "356Talk", with its share of apparently knowledgeable and not so knowledgeable responses: http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=120996&page=1

 

There is a discussion of nitrogen filling on the last page of this document from Goodyear. It addresses truck tires, but many of the issues are the same: http://www.goodyear.com/truck/pdf/radialretserv/Retread_S5_V.pdf

 

Some of the benefits defy common sense:

-reduced oxidation or damage to the inside of the tires (what about the outside?)

-nitrogen doesn't expand with temperature (thereby breaking the laws of physics as we know them)

-nitrogen won't leak from tires like oxygen (so if you wait, and then keep on filling up with regular air,   which is almost 80% nitrogen, you should end up with mostly nitrogen in your tires anyways!)

 

The "real" reasons appear to be:

-bottled nitrogen is drier than typical workshop compressor air

-it is convenient for some (like in the aviation industry)

-marketing!

Floor and Tunnel Rust, Floor Felt

Q.  When I took the felt off the passenger side floor of my 1964 356 SC , there was some thin rust on the metal. I have scraped this off, now what do I do? Also, there is some light rust inside the tunnel. How do I get at this? Thanks, William

A.  I could get to and then primed the area with Rust-Oleum Professional Red Primer 7569 spray. I believe it came from Home Depot. Rather than trying to obtain felt from the various 356 suppliers, I used several layers of 30 Lb. UL roofing felt. There are apparently several versions of 30 Lb. felt. The UL is much thicker. Since

I needed to laminate layers to get the thickness I needed, I made some cardboard patterns and "glued" them together with a quality blackjack roofing cement. It took over a gallon to make all the pieces I needed. I then put a good layer of the roofing cement on floor and pressed the layered felt down. Although time consuming, I  am extremely pleased with the results. You will need to go to a roofing supply  house to get the thick UL roofing felt. I would give you my patterns, but they were ruined when my house flooded when we were hit by hurricane Katrina. Fortunately, my car did not get wet. Before evacuating I put it up on some ramps I made to get under the car for servicing purposes.  Hope this helps. Wyatt B. 356C Metairie , La.

 

Mushy Seats

Q.  I am having the seats on my 1964 356 reupholstered but they are soft and mushy. I would like to have the seats firm and high. How do I give more body to the seats? Thanks, William

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